I'm ignorant of history and proud of it
Lincoln Lied and Thousands Died
Northern Democrat 1: Can you believe that liar Lincoln? First, he said that we were fighting to preserve the Union. Then he tells us, with that Emancipation Proclamation, that the war is about eliminating slavery for good.
Northern Democrat 2: All these soldiers that died for a lie...
ND 1: And tell me this hasn't been the most mismanaged war in history.
We had way too few troops at Bull Run.
ND 2: Yeah, Lincoln's Secretary of State Seward said the war would be over in two months. Jeez. Now, all this time later we're in this unwinnable quagmire. Lincoln has no plan!
ND 1: And the Europeans hate us...
ND 2: So much for our constitutional freedoms with that unlawful Writ of Habeas Corpus. I'm sure the government is reading the mail sent to me by my Virginia cousin.
ND 1: Wasn't he the guy that was trying to smuggle Union rifles out of Maryland?
ND 2: Yeah, but you can't just hold a guy in prison on the flimsy evidence they have. Lincon's abrogating the Constitution!
ND 1: He didn't even get Congress to approve the Writ - he just did it.
ND 2: And those Republicans think that Sherman's capturing of Atlanta is a big deal - but did they capture the capitol, Richmond? No!
ND 1: Even former Democratic President Franklin Pierce said Lincoln is responsible for "all the woe ... all the degradation, all the atrocity, all the desolation and ruin" in our country. Lincoln is Ghengis Khan!
ND 2: The Peace Democrats have it right: This war is lost - let's just give the Confederacy it's own country and be done with it. We need a timetable for an immediate pull out.
ND 1: Yeah, war is not the answer. Besides, the slaves should fight for their own freedom if they want it so bad.
ND 2: If we don't win the election in November, we must find a way to impeach Lincoln.
Seth Swirsky makes a funny.
But he's really too cowardly to say what he means. Here's a piece from Harpers on the 1864 election, and see if you find what he wrote funny
Northern Opposition to Lincoln
For most of his tenure in office, Lincoln was an unpopular president. There were two main oppositional factions: Confederate sympathizers in the Border States and lower Midwest, and the peace wing of the Democratic Party. The latter group believed that the Civil War was undermining the Northern economy, civil liberties, and states’ rights. Particularly objectionable to Northern Democrats were two Lincoln administration policies: emancipation and the military draft.
Lincoln presented an emancipation plan to his cabinet in July 1862, but was convinced by Secretary of State William Henry Seward to wait until a major Union victory to announce it publicly. After the Battle of Antietam that September, the president issued a preliminary proclamation, declaring that he would free the slaves in Confederate-held territory if the Confederacy did not surrender by January 1, 1863. On that day, the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect, and thousands of slaves were subsequently freed as Union forces marched across the South. However, it remained for the 13th Amendment (1865) to free all the slaves and abolish the institution of slavery permanently.
In response to the congressional enactment of a military draft at the request of the Lincoln administration, anti-draft riots erupted across the North during the summer of 1863. The most serious occurred in New York City, where huge mobs demolished draft offices, lynched blacks, and destroyed large sections of the city in four days of looting and burning (infamously including the Colored Orphan Asylum).
One of the most controversial incidents of suppressing antiwar protest involved a former Democratic congressman, Clement Vallandigham. In 1863, he purposefully violated a military decree in Ohio against expressing Confederate sympathies in public by condemning “King” Lincoln’s war to free blacks and enslave whites. Vallandigham was arrested, tried, and convicted in a military court. The incident provoked outrage in the Northern Democratic press and undermined War Democrats’ support of the Lincoln administration. Vallandigham appealed to the Supreme Court, who refused to hear the case. Lincoln commuted his prison sentence to exile in the Confederacy. Vallandigham soon left the South for Canada, at which time Ohio Democrats nominated him for governor. He directed his campaign from Canada, but lost overwhelming to the Republican nominee. When he returned clandestinely to Ohio in June 1864 and again began speaking out against the war, Lincoln instructed military and civilian officials to ignore him. At the Democratic National Convention in August 1864, Vallandigham was instrumental in convincing delegates to add a peace plank to their party platform.
So, Seth, are you claiming that opposition to the war is racism or treason or both?
Only problem is that the Union was winning in the fall of 1864
August 1864 -- General Sherman's Atlanta Campaign.
Union General William T. Sherman departed Chattanooga, and was soon met by Confederate General Joseph Johnston. Skillful strategy enabled Johnston to hold off Sherman's force -- almost twice the size of Johnston's. However, Johnston's tactics caused his superiors to replace him with General John Bell Hood, who was soon defeated. Hood surrendered Atlanta, Georgia, on September 1; Sherman occupied the city the next day. The fall of Atlanta greatly boosted Northern morale.
August 5-7, 1864 Utoy Creek
August 7, 1864 Moorefield / Oldfields
August 13-20 Deep Bottom II / Fussell's Mill / Bailey's Creek
August 14-15, 1864 Dalton II
August 16 Guard Hill / Front Royal / Cedarville
August 18-21 Globe Tavern / Yellow Tavern / Blick's Station
August 20, 1864 Lovejoy's Station
August 21, 1864 Summit Point / Flowing Springs / Cameron's Depot
August 21, 1864 Memphis
August 25 Ream's Station
August 25-29, 1864 Smithfield Crossing
August 31–September 1, 1864 Jonesborough
September-November -- Sherman in Atlanta
After three and a half months of incessant maneuvering and much hard fighting, Sherman forced Hood to abandon Atlanta, the munitions center of the Confederacy. Sherman remained there, resting his war-worn men and accumulating supplies, for nearly two-and-a-half months.
September 3-4 Berryville
September 10-11, 1864 Davis' Cross Roads / Dug Gap
September 19 Opequon / Third Winchester
September 21-22 Fisher's Hill
September 27, 1864 Fort Davidson / Pilot Knob
September 29-30 Chaffin's Farm / New Market Heights
September 30 Peebles' Farm / Poplar Springs Church
October 2 Saltville
October 5, 1864 Allatoona
October 7 Darbytown / New Market Roads / Fourmile Creek
October 9 Tom's Brook / Woodstock Races
October 13 Darbytown Road / Alms House
October 15, 1864 Glasgow
October 19, 1864 Lexington
October 19 Cedar Creek
October 21, 1864 Little Blue River / Westport
October 22, 1864 Independence
October 22-23, 1864 Byram's Ford / Big Blue River
October 23, 1864 Westport
October 25, 1864 Marmiton River / Shiloh Creek / Charlot's Farm
October 25, 1864 Mine Creek / Battle of the Osage
October 25, 1864 Marais des Cygnes / Battle of Trading Post
October 26-29, 1864 Decatur Alabama
October 28, 1864 Newtonia
October 26-29-- Franklin-Nashville Campaign Gen. John B. Hood's Army of Tennessee, in an attempt to cross the Tennessee River at Decatur, Alabama encountered Union forces under the command of Brig. Gen. Robert S. Granger for most of the battle, numbered only about 5,000 men, but successfully prevented the much larger Confederate force from crossing the river.
October 27-28 Fair Oaks / Darbytown Road / Second Fair Oaks
October 27-28-- Boydton Plank Roadaka Hatcher's Run, Burgess' Mill. Directed by Maj. Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock, divisions from three Union corps (II, V, and IX) and Gregg's cavalry division, numbering more than 30,000 men, withdrew from the Petersburg lines and marched west to operate against the Boydton Plank Road and Southside Railroad. The initial Union advance on October 27 gained the Boydton Plank Road, a major campaign objective. But that afternoon, a counterattack near Burgess' Mill spearheaded by Maj. Gen. Henry Heth's division and Wade Hampton's cavalry isolated the II Corps and forced a retreat. The Confederates retained control of the Boydton Plank Road for the rest of the winter.
November 4-5, 1864 Johnsonville
November 11-13, 1864 Bull's Gap
November 24-29, 1864 Columbia
November 29, 1864 Spring Hill
November 30, 1864 Franklin
November 1864 -- Sherman's March to the Sea.
General Sherman continued his march through Georgia to the sea. In the course of the march, he cut himself off from his source of supplies, planning for his troops to live off the land. His men cut a path 300 miles in length and 60 miles wide as they passed through Georgia, destroying factories, bridges, railroads, and public buildings.
November 22, 1864 Griswoldville
November 28, 1864 Buck Head Creek
November 30, 1864 Honey Hill
November 30 -- Honey Hill South Carolina.
Leaving Hilton Head on November 28, a Union expeditionary force under Maj. Gen. John P. Hatch, steamed up the Broad River in transports to cut the Charleston & Savannah Railroad near Pocotaligo. Hatch disembarked at Boyd's Landing and marched inland. On November 30, Hatch encountered a Confederate force of regulars and militia under Col. Charles J. Colcock at Honey Hill. Determined attacks by U.S. Colored Troops (including the 54th Massachusetts) failed to capture the Confederate entrenchments or cut the railroad. Hatch retired after dark, withdrawing to his transports at Boyd's Neck
November 1864 -- Abraham Lincoln Is Re-Elected.
The Republican party nominated President Abraham Lincoln as its presidential candidate, and Andrew Johnson for vice-president. The Democratic party chose General George B. McClellan for president, and George Pendleton for vice-president. At one point, widespread war-weariness in the North made a victory for Lincoln seem doubtful. In addition, Lincoln's veto of the Wade-Davis Bill -- requiring the majority of the electorate in each Confederate state to swear past and future loyalty to the Union before the state could officially be restored -- lost him the support of Radical Republicans who thought Lincoln too lenient. However, Sherman's victory in Atlanta boosted Lincoln's popularity and helped him win re-election by a wide margin.
So, what don't you have the balls to say?
Bush is like Lincoln? Opponents of the war are traitors? Exactly what do you mean, and if you feel that way, why aren't you in Iraq.
posted by Steve @ 1:14:00 AM