STEPHANOPOULOS: Let?s talk about something else in the book, radical feminists. A second quote from the book, you say, Respect for stay-at-home mothers has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders? war on the traditional family and radical feminism?s mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect.
Let?s get specific here. Name one or two of these radical feminists who are on this crusade.
SANTORUM: Well, I mean, you know, you have ? you go back to, what?s her name, well, Gloria Steinem, but I?m trying to remember ? I can?t remember the woman?s name. It?s terrible. Anyway?
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it?s kind of an important point. Because you paint this broad brush: radical feminists, village elders. Name one.
SANTORUM: There?s lots of ? no, there?s lot?s of ? well, Gloria Steinem. There?s one. I mean, there?s lots of writings out there?
STEPHANOPOULOS: She?s been on a crusade against stay-at-home moms?
SANTORUM: There?s lots of writings out there, and there is an opinion by the elite in this country across academia, across the media, that stay-at-home motherhood is not adequately affirmed and respected by our society.
SANTORUM: And if you don?t believe that, get a panel of stay-at- home moms here on your show, and you ask them whether they feel affirmed by society, whether they feel affirmed by the culture.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Listen, I can go home. My wife Wendy both works and stays at home at various times. And sometimes, when she?s not working, you know, she gets upset, but it?s not some message that?s being driven by?
SANTORUM: Isn?t it?
STEPHANOPOULOS: ? specific people.
SANTORUM: Isn?t it a message for us? I mean, where does this come from? Does this come from the ether?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I?m asking you. Where are these radical feminists?
SANTORUM: It comes from an elite culture, dictated, again, from academia, dictated, again, from the Hollywood culture and the news media, that says, the only thing that?s affirming, the only thing that really counts is what you do at work.
And that goes for men and women. And it?s wrong. It?s wrong to tell that to fathers. It?s wrong to tell that to mothers. And we need to value mothers and fathers spending time with their children much more than we do in America.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Hillary Clinton wrote much the same in her book, It Takes a Village. Do you believe she?s a radical feminist?
SANTORUM: Yes, I do. I mean, read her work and what she?s done on children?s rights. I mean, that?s radical. I mean, you?re talking about giving children the same ? that children have rights equal to adults. I mean, that is not a nurturing atmosphere of mothers and fathers taking responsibility for shaping the moral vision of their children. She doesn?t agree with that, at least if you look at her earlier writings.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Have you talked to her about your book?
SANTORUM: We?ve had conversations in passing about it.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Tell us about them.
SANTORUM: Oh, just, you know, pass in the hallway, you know, she made a comment to me about that it takes a village, and I responded, no, it really does take a family.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So no serious debate?
SANTORUM: No serious debate. I?d love to have a serious debate.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You may have drawn her out now, calling her a radical feminist.
SANTORUM: I?d love to have a serious debate. If she?d like to have a serious debate about her view of how society should be ordered and structured ? I believe her view is one that says government and top-down. I believe my view is the view that?s held by most Americans, which means we need strong families and strong communities, and we don?t need government really dissembling those institutions, which I think her view of the world does.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let?s move on to another controversy you stirred up, the question of the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church. You made a statement in July 2002 which has drawn a lot of fire.
You said, in a publication called Catholic On-Line, When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While there?s no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm.
You?ve reaffirmed that just a couple of weeks ago. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry say you have to apologize. Mitt Romney, Republican governor, says basically you don?t know what you?re talking about.Do you still stand by that statement?
SANTORUM: Look, the statement I made was that the culture influences people?s behavior. I don?t think anyone?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Isn?t that what conservatives used to say about liberals, when they used to say they were trying to excuse criminals?
SANTORUM: I think what I?m saying is that the culture of liberal sexual freedom and the sexual revolution of the 1960s and ?70s had a profound impact on everybody and their sexual mores. It had a profound impact on the church.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you singled out Boston in?
SANTORUM: I singled out Boston in 2002. In July of 2002, that was the epicenter. We did not know?
STEPHANOPOULOS: That is simply not true. I went back and looked at all of these clips. We had stories in 1994, going back all the way to 1984 in Louisiana, in just about every archdiocese in the country.
I just don?t understand why you stick by this, because we now know it was widespread. It was in every city in the country.
SANTORUM: Well, at the time, we did not know it was in every city of the country.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We knew a lot of that.
SANTORUM: It was ? look at the press reports. It was the epicenter.
STEPHANOPOULOS: I have them right here.
SANTORUM: I think it?s taking it out of context?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Los Angeles Times, January 29, 1994, it cites instances of abuse in Santa Fe and Chicago, as well as Lafayette, Louisiana, and Camden, New Jersey. 1994.
SANTORUM: I understand that it was in other places. All I?m talking about, at the time, what everyone was focused on at the time was Boston.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So you stand by it?
SANTORUM: Look, I will admit that Boston is ? that using Boston at the time was appropriate. Now, I would not say it would be appropriate. I would say that Boston right now would ? we?d say a whole lot of other cities in the country and a whole lot of problems.
But if you read the article, that was one of about four or five things that I said?
STEPHANOPOULOS: I did read it.
SANTORUM: ? and I talked about the problems within the church.
I wrote the article in 2002. Ted Kennedy and John Kennedy wrote no articles in 2002 criticizing this church. I went out and talked to bishops. I went out and talked to cardinals. I was very concerned. I was offended and hurt by a church that betrayed me by not doing what they should have done, and I was angered by that, and I spoke out about it, and I spoke loudly about it.
The senators from Massachusetts did nothing. They spoke nothing. They sat by and let this happen. STEPHANOPOULOS: So you?re standing your ground